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    Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD

    Posted by Linda on 4/19/09

    Please, don't trust me on the tax issue. (I only have 15 years of experience in taxes.) Do the
    research yourself. No deduction is ever possible under section 162.

    On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    > I don't know if that is necessary false. I applied for a tax deduction for my studies at West
    > Coast School of Law, who is in the same accreditation boat as NWCU Law. Anyone who is not a
    > lawyer can use this as training for a new job. Not everyone is a patent agent.
    >
    > Victoria Weaver
    >
    > On 4/19/09, Li nda wrote:
    >> It still bothers me that they keep the incorrect income tax deduction information on their
    >> website. If they get something as simple as this wrong, can we have confidence in their
    >> other legal conclusions?
    >>
    >> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>> Depends on what you are comparing it against. I think it is, considering that many DL law
    >>> students get what they put in to online education. What you get at a school like Concord
    >> is
    >>> bells and whistles. Concord always brags that students who get a B+ average in thier
    >>> program pass the bar with flying colors (like 80&37; of the time, I think). If a student
    >>> actually does the studying at NWCU Law, then yes, they will pass.
    >>>
    >>> They have been around a lot longer, and one year they even beat some ABA schools on the
    >> bar
    >>> exam (in terms of percentage passing rate).
    >>>
    >>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>
    >>> On 4/18/09, Karen wrote:
    >>>> According to the State Bar stats, for the past two years less than one in four of NWCU
    >>>> graduates have passed the bar on the first attempt. Is this considered pretty good?
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/17/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>>> What do you base that on? Certainly not baby bar or bar passage rate. If you were to
    >>>>> base it on those, you would have to concede that Concord or Oakbrook are at the top of
    >>>>> the curve, but you pay through the nose at Concord and Oakbrook requires an in-
    >>>>> residence requirement. NWCU has pretty good baby bar and bar passage rates, and is
    >>>> half
    >>>>> the price of a lot of the other schools. I chose to transfer to NWCU because of the
    >>>>> good pass rates, the price, and the fact it has been around for a long time.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ALU has high tuition and the bar pass rates are less than stellar. If you were to
    >>>>> actually give some reasons, then perhaps we might consider agreeing with you. I am not
    >>>>> one who advocates DETC accreditation, but that is actually another thing against ALU
    >>>>> (because Taft and Concord have that designation).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/17/09, Mel wrote:
    >>>>>> The only good school is Abraham Lincoln University School of Law.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>> A good example of what I was writing follows:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Question
    >>>>>>> I have read the general rule of no deduction for law school, but I haven't read
    >>>>>>> anything for my particular situation. I am a registered patent agent with the
    >>>>>>> United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). My point is that there is
    >>>>>>> nothing a patent attorney can do with the USPTO with patents that I cannot do as a
    >>>>>>> patent agent. I have written patents since 2005, I became a registered patent
    >>>>>>> agent in 2008, and am now in law school for one reason: increase my earnings
    >>>>>>> potential.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> When I am finished with law school I am going to be in the same industry and trade
    >>>>>>> I was before law school. I realize that law school could generally "qualify me
    >>>>>>> for a new trade or business" but at the same time, law school is not qualifying me
    >>>>>>> anymore than I am already to work with the USPTO. The USPTO doesn't really care
    >>>>>>> if I am an agent or an attorney. Both can have clients, both can write the patent
    >>>>>>> applications, both can file the patent apps with the USPTO, and both can prosecute
    >>>>>>> the patent apps through several office actions until the application is dropped or
    >>>>>>> published as a patent.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> So in your opinion, do I have a shot at a legitimate deduction?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Answer:
    >>>>>>> Thanks for your question.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> No, you cannot deduct your law school costs. It does qualify you for a new trade
    >>>>>>> or business whether you ever pursue that or not. The IRS has ruled specifically
    >>>>>>> in such situations.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Hope this helps.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> John Stancil, CPA
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>> First, please excuse the typos. Some, but not all are because the Board
    >>>>>>>> apparently won't allow some words. I have no reason why but on average one in
    >>>>>>>> three of my posts go through.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I wasnít referring to Section 162. But since you brought it up, law school
    >>>>>>>> expenses are never deductible under 162 because it qualifies a person for a new
    >>>>>>>> profession. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases in this area and the
    >>>>>>>> taxpayer always loses. Donít trust me, research it. Or ask NWCU to give you
    >>>>>>>> some cases. I did and they couldnít.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The tax credits are only available to students enrolled in schools that are
    >>>>>>>> accredited, as defined by the Department of Education. You can view the Taf t
    >>>>>>>> website for more specific details.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> As I wrote earlier, I don't think the NWCU is a bad option for some. But they,
    >>>>>>>> and you, need to get some facts straight.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The fact that they continue to give incorrect tax info is worrisome.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> NWCU is accredited in the sense that it is "registered" with the CBE. (LOL)It is
    >>>>>>>>> not "accredited" in the sense which you are speaking, but it does not matter.
    >>>>>> (Except if you want an accredited degree)
    >>>>>>>>> Do you now (spelled correctly) see my point. The tuition can still be deducted
    >>>>>>>>> for tax purposes--here is the info from the website:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Tax Deduction
    >>>>>>>>> A tax deduction may be allowed for expenses undertaken to: Maintain or improve
    >>>>>>>>> skills required in one's employment, trade or business, or Meet specific
    >>>>>>>>> requirements of an employer or a law imposed as a condition to retention of
    >>>>>>>>> employment, job status or rate of compensation. (See Treasury Regulation 1.
    >>>>>>>> 162-
    >>>>>>>>> 5.) (My tax man is H & R Boock)
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Do your research, and learn how to spell. I understand that an occasional
    >>>>>>>> stray
    >>>>>>>>> key may be hit, but you are incorrectly spelling way too many words in a
    >>>>>>>> single
    >>>>>>>>> sentence. It is irritating.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Tree but NWCU is NOT accredited. Do you know see my point.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Tax credits can be used from any accredited school. There are no strong
    >>>>>>>>>>> points in your argument. NWCU Law is the best around in terms of quality
    >>>>>>>>>>> and price.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, L inda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I stand corrected with respect to con cord. But T aft is not three
    >>>>>>>>>>>> times and factoring in tax credits the difference is not all that much
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/09, GET NEW INFORMATION wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on information I received from all three school, the bar pass
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate over the past five years is lower at NWCU than the other two
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited schools. And according to the websites, the tuition is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not three times as much.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is 2850 a year for starters, Concord is 9k+, so I your right....
    >>>>>>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than 3 x's as much and as far as bar passage rates again you
    >>>>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong especially w/ regard to the FYLSE... go to calbar.org
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could do worst than Northwestern but I suggest that you also
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check out the other schools, particularly COn cord and Taf t.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both offer Federal student aid.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/09, questions wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering Northwest California Law School for a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance learning Law degree. I can not move at this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I can not quit my job, I have a family who needs me
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. I live in Maine and I am about 6 hours from the law
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. Has anyone gone/going to NWCULAW? I understand it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unaccredited with the ABA and I understand all I must
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do to pass the bar and practice law later. Any help would
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great thanks so much.

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  • Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by Maryanne.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by prezcott.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/14/09, by GET NEW INFORMATION .
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by L inda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Mel.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/18/09, by Karen.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Go pay more....
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Mel.
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