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    Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD

    Posted by Victoria Weaver on 4/20/09

    Are you a CPA or a tax preparer?

    Victoria Weaver


    On 4/19/09, Linda wrote:
    > Please, don't trust me on the tax issue. (I only have 15 years of experience in taxes.) Do the
    > research yourself. No deduction is ever possible under section 162.
    >
    > On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >> I don't know if that is necessary false. I applied for a tax deduction for my studies at West
    >> Coast School of Law, who is in the same accreditation boat as NWCU Law. Anyone who is not a
    >> lawyer can use this as training for a new job. Not everyone is a patent agent.
    >>
    >> Victoria Weaver
    >>
    >> On 4/19/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>> It still bothers me that they keep the incorrect income tax deduction information on their
    >>> website. If they get something as simple as this wrong, can we have confidence in their
    >>> other legal conclusions?
    >>>
    >>> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>> Depends on what you are comparing it against. I think it is, considering that many DL law
    >>>> students get what they put in to online education. What you get at a school like Concord
    >>> is
    >>>> bells and whistles. Concord always brags that students who get a B+ average in thier
    >>>> program pass the bar with flying colors (like 80&37; of the time, I think). If a student
    >>>> actually does the studying at NWCU Law, then yes, they will pass.
    >>>>
    >>>> They have been around a lot longer, and one year they even beat some ABA schools on the
    >>> bar
    >>>> exam (in terms of percentage passing rate).
    >>>>
    >>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/18/09, Karen wrote:
    >>>>> According to the State Bar stats, for the past two years less than one in four of NWCU
    >>>>> graduates have passed the bar on the first attempt. Is this considered pretty good?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/17/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>>>> What do you base that on? Certainly not baby bar or bar passage rate. If you were to
    >>>>>> base it on those, you would have to concede that Concord or Oakbrook are at the top of
    >>>>>> the curve, but you pay through the nose at Concord and Oakbrook requires an in-
    >>>>>> residence requirement. NWCU has pretty good baby bar and bar passage rates, and is
    >>>>> half
    >>>>>> the price of a lot of the other schools. I chose to transfer to NWCU because of the
    >>>>>> good pass rates, the price, and the fact it has been around for a long time.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ALU has high tuition and the bar pass rates are less than stellar. If you were to
    >>>>>> actually give some reasons, then perhaps we might consider agreeing with you. I am not
    >>>>>> one who advocates DETC accreditation, but that is actually another thing against ALU
    >>>>>> (because Taft and Concord have that designation).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/17/09, Mel wrote:
    >>>>>>> The only good school is Abraham Lincoln University School of Law.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>> A good example of what I was writing follows:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Question
    >>>>>>>> I have read the general rule of no deduction for law school, but I haven't read
    >>>>>>>> anything for my particular situation. I am a registered patent agent with the
    >>>>>>>> United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). My point is that there is
    >>>>>>>> nothing a patent attorney can do with the USPTO with patents that I cannot do as a
    >>>>>>>> patent agent. I have written patents since 2005, I became a registered patent
    >>>>>>>> agent in 2008, and am now in law school for one reason: increase my earnings
    >>>>>>>> potential.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> When I am finished with law school I am going to be in the same industry and trade
    >>>>>>>> I was before law school. I realize that law school could generally "qualify me
    >>>>>>>> for a new trade or business" but at the same time, law school is not qualifying me
    >>>>>>>> anymore than I am already to work with the USPTO. The USPTO doesn't really care
    >>>>>>>> if I am an agent or an attorney. Both can have clients, both can write the patent
    >>>>>>>> applications, both can file the patent apps with the USPTO, and both can prosecute
    >>>>>>>> the patent apps through several office actions until the application is dropped or
    >>>>>>>> published as a patent.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> So in your opinion, do I have a shot at a legitimate deduction?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Answer:
    >>>>>>>> Thanks for your question.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> No, you cannot deduct your law school costs. It does qualify you for a new trade
    >>>>>>>> or business whether you ever pursue that or not. The IRS has ruled specifically
    >>>>>>>> in such situations.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> John Stancil, CPA
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> First, please excuse the typos. Some, but not all are because the Board
    >>>>>>>>> apparently won't allow some words. I have no reason why but on average one in
    >>>>>>>>> three of my posts go through.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I wasnít referring to Section 162. But since you brought it up, law school
    >>>>>>>>> expenses are never deductible under 162 because it qualifies a person for a new
    >>>>>>>>> profession. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases in this area and the
    >>>>>>>>> taxpayer always loses. Donít trust me, research it. Or ask NWCU to give you
    >>>>>>>>> some cases. I did and they couldnít.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> The tax credits are only available to students enrolled in schools that are
    >>>>>>>>> accredited, as defined by the Department of Education. You can view the Taf t
    >>>>>>>>> website for more specific details.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> As I wrote earlier, I don't think the NWCU is a bad option for some. But they,
    >>>>>>>>> and you, need to get some facts straight.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> The fact that they continue to give incorrect tax info is worrisome.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> NWCU is accredited in the sense that it is "registered" with the CBE. (LOL)It is
    >>>>>>>>>> not "accredited" in the sense which you are speaking, but it does not matter.
    >>>>>>> (Except if you want an accredited degree)
    >>>>>>>>>> Do you now (spelled correctly) see my point. The tuition can still be deducted
    >>>>>>>>>> for tax purposes--here is the info from the website:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Tax Deduction
    >>>>>>>>>> A tax deduction may be allowed for expenses undertaken to: Maintain or improve
    >>>>>>>>>> skills required in one's employment, trade or business, or Meet specific
    >>>>>>>>>> requirements of an employer or a law imposed as a condition to retention of
    >>>>>>>>>> employment, job status or rate of compensation. (See Treasury Regulation 1.
    >>>>>>>>> 162-
    >>>>>>>>>> 5.) (My tax man is H & R Boock)
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Do your research, and learn how to spell. I understand that an occasional
    >>>>>>>>> stray
    >>>>>>>>>> key may be hit, but you are incorrectly spelling way too many words in a
    >>>>>>>>> single
    >>>>>>>>>> sentence. It is irritating.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Tree but NWCU is NOT accredited. Do you know see my point.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Tax credits can be used from any accredited school. There are no strong
    >>>>>>>>>>>> points in your argument. NWCU Law is the best around in terms of quality
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and price.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, L inda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I stand corrected with respect to con cord. But T aft is not three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> times and factoring in tax credits the difference is not all that much
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/09, GET NEW INFORMATION wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on information I received from all three school, the bar pass
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate over the past five years is lower at NWCU than the other two
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited schools. And according to the websites, the tuition is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not three times as much.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is 2850 a year for starters, Concord is 9k+, so I your right....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than 3 x's as much and as far as bar passage rates again you
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong especially w/ regard to the FYLSE... go to calbar.org
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could do worst than Northwestern but I suggest that you also
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check out the other schools, particularly COn cord and Taf t.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both offer Federal student aid.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/09, questions wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering Northwest California Law School for a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance learning Law degree. I can not move at this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I can not quit my job, I have a family who needs me
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. I live in Maine and I am about 6 hours from the law
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. Has anyone gone/going to NWCULAW? I understand it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unaccredited with the ABA and I understand all I must
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do to pass the bar and practice law later. Any help would
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great thanks so much.

    Posts on this thread, including this one
  • Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by Maryanne.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by prezcott.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/14/09, by GET NEW INFORMATION .
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by L inda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Mel.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/18/09, by Karen.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Go pay more....
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Mel.
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  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Linda.
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  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Taxboy.
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