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    Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD

    Posted by Mel on 4/20/09

    "if I want to put any education costs as a business expense because I
    feel it will advance/grow my business I will and I have."

    If you don't care about following the law, maybe NWCU is a good place for you.


    On 4/20/09, Go pay more... wrote:
    > Ok since we all want to be lawyers, let's look at a few facts... as a DL the 1st hurdle is the FYLSE or
    > the Baby Bar, not the tax return...
    >
    > most recently October 2008 the results are as follows:
    >
    > Taft: 35 took 5 passed 17&37;
    > Concord: 196 took 28 passed 14.3&37; WTF???
    > NWCU: 58 took 2 passed 3%;
    >
    > so why you may want to argue taxes, writeoff's, and any other BS you can muster up to justify paying
    > between 65 and 200 &37; more to not go to NWCU the facts indicate you will not be at any better of an
    > advantage unless you consider having less money an advantage... while I realize their are other factors
    > to consider, w/ out passing the BB you're out!
    >
    > While you may think this tax issue effects the validity of NWCU (the oldest DL in CA) the facts
    indicate
    > you are wrong and wasting everyone's time...
    >
    > while not relevant to a LS forum, if I want to put any education costs as a business expense because I
    > feel it will advance/grow my business I will and I have.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 4/20/09, Linda wrote:
    >> My husband is a CPA who has researched this forward and backward. He even contacted NWCU last year
    >> and they admitted the information was in error said they would correct the website. Apparently they
    >> haven't.
    >>
    >> On 4/20/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>> Are you a CPA or a tax preparer?
    >>>
    >>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 4/19/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>> Please, don't trust me on the tax issue. (I only have 15 years of experience in taxes.) Do the
    >>>> research yourself. No deduction is ever possible under section 162.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>>> I don't know if that is necessary false. I applied for a tax deduction for my studies at West
    >>>>> Coast School of Law, who is in the same accreditation boat as NWCU Law. Anyone who is not a
    >>>>> lawyer can use this as training for a new job. Not everyone is a patent agent.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/19/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>> It still bothers me that they keep the incorrect income tax deduction information on their
    >>>>>> website. If they get something as simple as this wrong, can we have confidence in their
    >>>>>> other legal conclusions?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>>>>> Depends on what you are comparing it against. I think it is, considering that many DL law
    >>>>>>> students get what they put in to online education. What you get at a school like Concord
    >>>>>> is
    >>>>>>> bells and whistles. Concord always brags that students who get a B+ average in thier
    >>>>>>> program pass the bar with flying colors (like 80&37; of the time, I think). If a student
    >>>>>>> actually does the studying at NWCU Law, then yes, they will pass.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> They have been around a lot longer, and one year they even beat some ABA schools on the
    >>>>>> bar
    >>>>>>> exam (in terms of percentage passing rate).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/18/09, Karen wrote:
    >>>>>>>> According to the State Bar stats, for the past two years less than one in four of NWCU
    >>>>>>>> graduates have passed the bar on the first attempt. Is this considered pretty good?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/17/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> What do you base that on? Certainly not baby bar or bar passage rate. If you were to
    >>>>>>>>> base it on those, you would have to concede that Concord or Oakbrook are at the top of
    >>>>>>>>> the curve, but you pay through the nose at Concord and Oakbrook requires an in-
    >>>>>>>>> residence requirement. NWCU has pretty good baby bar and bar passage rates, and is
    >>>>>>>> half
    >>>>>>>>> the price of a lot of the other schools. I chose to transfer to NWCU because of the
    >>>>>>>>> good pass rates, the price, and the fact it has been around for a long time.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ALU has high tuition and the bar pass rates are less than stellar. If you were to
    >>>>>>>>> actually give some reasons, then perhaps we might consider agreeing with you. I am not
    >>>>>>>>> one who advocates DETC accreditation, but that is actually another thing against ALU
    >>>>>>>>> (because Taft and Concord have that designation).
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Victoria Weaver
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/17/09, Mel wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> The only good school is Abraham Lincoln University School of Law.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> A good example of what I was writing follows:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Question
    >>>>>>>>>>> I have read the general rule of no deduction for law school, but I haven't read
    >>>>>>>>>>> anything for my particular situation. I am a registered patent agent with the
    >>>>>>>>>>> United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). My point is that there is
    >>>>>>>>>>> nothing a patent attorney can do with the USPTO with patents that I cannot do as a
    >>>>>>>>>>> patent agent. I have written patents since 2005, I became a registered patent
    >>>>>>>>>>> agent in 2008, and am now in law school for one reason: increase my earnings
    >>>>>>>>>>> potential.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> When I am finished with law school I am going to be in the same industry and trade
    >>>>>>>>>>> I was before law school. I realize that law school could generally "qualify me
    >>>>>>>>>>> for a new trade or business" but at the same time, law school is not qualifying me
    >>>>>>>>>>> anymore than I am already to work with the USPTO. The USPTO doesn't really care
    >>>>>>>>>>> if I am an agent or an attorney. Both can have clients, both can write the patent
    >>>>>>>>>>> applications, both can file the patent apps with the USPTO, and both can prosecute
    >>>>>>>>>>> the patent apps through several office actions until the application is dropped or
    >>>>>>>>>>> published as a patent.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> So in your opinion, do I have a shot at a legitimate deduction?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Answer:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your question.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> No, you cannot deduct your law school costs. It does qualify you for a new trade
    >>>>>>>>>>> or business whether you ever pursue that or not. The IRS has ruled specifically
    >>>>>>>>>>> in such situations.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> John Stancil, CPA
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> First, please excuse the typos. Some, but not all are because the Board
    >>>>>>>>>>>> apparently won't allow some words. I have no reason why but on average one in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> three of my posts go through.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I wasnít referring to Section 162. But since you brought it up, law school
    >>>>>>>>>>>> expenses are never deductible under 162 because it qualifies a person for a new
    >>>>>>>>>>>> profession. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases in this area and the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayer always loses. Donít trust me, research it. Or ask NWCU to give you
    >>>>>>>>>>>> some cases. I did and they couldnít.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The tax credits are only available to students enrolled in schools that are
    >>>>>>>>>>>> accredited, as defined by the Department of Education. You can view the Taf t
    >>>>>>>>>>>> website for more specific details.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> As I wrote earlier, I don't think the NWCU is a bad option for some. But they,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and you, need to get some facts straight.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that they continue to give incorrect tax info is worrisome.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is accredited in the sense that it is "registered" with the CBE. (LOL)It is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> not "accredited" in the sense which you are speaking, but it does not matter.
    >>>>>>>>>> (Except if you want an accredited degree)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you now (spelled correctly) see my point. The tuition can still be deducted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> for tax purposes--here is the info from the website:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tax Deduction
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> A tax deduction may be allowed for expenses undertaken to: Maintain or improve
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> skills required in one's employment, trade or business, or Meet specific
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements of an employer or a law imposed as a condition to retention of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> employment, job status or rate of compensation. (See Treasury Regulation 1.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> 162-
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.) (My tax man is H & R Boock)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do your research, and learn how to spell. I understand that an occasional
    >>>>>>>>>>>> stray
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> key may be hit, but you are incorrectly spelling way too many words in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> single
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence. It is irritating.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tree but NWCU is NOT accredited. Do you know see my point.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tax credits can be used from any accredited school. There are no strong
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points in your argument. NWCU Law is the best around in terms of quality
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and price.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, L inda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stand corrected with respect to con cord. But T aft is not three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times and factoring in tax credits the difference is not all that much
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/09, GET NEW INFORMATION wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on information I received from all three school, the bar pass
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate over the past five years is lower at NWCU than the other two
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited schools. And according to the websites, the tuition is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not three times as much.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is 2850 a year for starters, Concord is 9k+, so I your right....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than 3 x's as much and as far as bar passage rates again you
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong especially w/ regard to the FYLSE... go to calbar.org
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/09, Linda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could do worst than Northwestern but I suggest that you also
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check out the other schools, particularly COn cord and Taf t.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both offer Federal student aid.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/09, questions wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering Northwest California Law School for a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance learning Law degree. I can not move at this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I can not quit my job, I have a family who needs me
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. I live in Maine and I am about 6 hours from the law
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. Has anyone gone/going to NWCULAW? I understand it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unaccredited with the ABA and I understand all I must
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do to pass the bar and practice law later. Any help would
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great thanks so much.

    Posts on this thread, including this one
  • Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/11/09, by Maryanne.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by questions.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/12/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by prezcott.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/13/09, by Linda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/14/09, by GET NEW INFORMATION .
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by L inda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/15/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Res Ipsa Loco.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: Distance law school Northwest California NWCULAW, 4/16/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Mel.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/17/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/18/09, by Karen.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Li nda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/19/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Victoria Weaver.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Go pay more....
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/20/09, by Mel.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by ....
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by whatever.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by head in the sand.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Taxboy.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Linda.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Laurence.
  • Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD, 4/21/09, by Linda.
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