Re: CURMUDGEN V RESPOND

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I still "think" i'm correct in
this. But you left out the crucial
details. Now it seems it's another
whole ball of wax. As Curmudgen
had stated they have a deal with
the school and law enforcment for
the above purpose. Apples and
oranges again. School & rules v's
criminal behaivor. Maybe an
attorney here can clear this up.
Good luck! Hope they dont throw
any books at him!

On 3/17/05, tv wrote:
> On 3/17/05, v wrote:
>> TV i'm ot an attorney. But i
>> think your missing the point.
Your
>> son is not an adult. He is not
>> garenteed the same rights under
>> the constitution in this
>> circumstance. He hasn't reached
>> the age of majority. He is
still
>> your responsability. Compareing
>> this to shooting the sheriff,
is
>> like apples & oranges. Then he
>> might be tried as an adult.
>> you are wrong he is 17. he
is afforded the same rights read
them.
> they didnt search his
locker. they convicted him of
acrime. which
> will always be on his record.
if he gets caught shoplifting does
he go
> straight to jail. he may go but
he would then get a det hearing
where
> he would plead guilty or not
guilty. if pleading not guilty he
would be
> appointed a lawyer and either
released to smeones custody or
stay in det
> until next available court
date. they skipped that part.
> im tired of beating a dead
horse here. i wanted to get a
lawyers
> oppinion before i went searching
for a civilrights lawyer. well i
think
> i found one now ,i may not have
a case, and thats ok. but i tell
you
> this 2hrs after i called prob
dept and explained my position
they called
> my wife and had her pick my son
up from oss said they wasnt gonna
hold
> him, for oss. strange dont you
think. the guy we went in front
of, was
> sitting in for a judge ,hes not
even a judge they messed up and
they
> knew it. and i will sue their
guts out if its possible.
> oh yea and yes my son was
guilty, of beating up a boy who
out weighs him
> by 100lbs and had a pipe.
shaking it at him . the other who
hadnt had an
> oss got 1 day oss. and no
assault charges were filed the
other boys
> parents couldnt file because he
had a pipe and i wouldnt because
my son
> beat the crap out of him. so my
son is out of trouble but they may
be
> gettin in it hehe. either way
it goes, this forum did relieve a
lot of
> buit up tension on my part
anyway but i wished i wouldve
gotten a
> response from a lawyer, but ill
have 1 soon enough ill post
results, so
> you will know v. thanks for
anwering anyway tv
>>
>> On 3/17/05, tv wrote:
>>> On 3/14/05, v wrote:
>>>> TV: Your son got busted for
>> not
>>>> folowing the rules. I'm not
an
>>>> attorney, but in this
situation
>>>> there is no due process. He
>> knew
>>>> the rules, he broke them
three
>>>> times. He is paying the
price.
>> He
>>>> is your responsabilty. There
>> are
>>>> laws against truency. If your
>> son
>>>> can't learn how to behave
now.
>>>> Who's fault is it? you blame
>> the
>>>> courts? The court is going to
>>>> blame you! & he'll learn the
>> hard
>>>> way now before he has to in
>> prison
>>>> latter. Sociaty dosen't have
to
>>>> tolerate bad behavior. AND
THE
>>>> MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT.
>> Apparently
>>>> niether of you get it. Sounds
>> like
>>>> you are condonning this.
Maybe
>> you
>>>> are part of the problem.
>>>>
>>>> you are partially right v, he
>> broke the rules and i have no
>>> problem with him being punihed
>> for it. but you are wrong about
>> due
>>> process, he cannot be
imprisoned
>> for breaking the rules. rules
and
>>> laws are 2 different things
and
>> according to our constitution
>>> everyone born in the us has
the
>> right to face their accusers in
>>> court. i had no problem with
the
>> 3 days of oss he was going to
get,
>>> and i told this to principal.
>> but if they want to confine him
he
>>> must be charged with
something,
>> and if he is charged he must be
>>> given his day in court even if
>> it is inevetible he will lose.
>> doesnt
>>> matter what they think or know
>> he has done you cannont be
>> confined
>>> just because they think it
will
>> teach you a lesson. theres a
>> process
>>> and they skipped it. we had a
>> initial hearing asked for a
lawyer
>> and
>>> we were denied, i guess he was
>> charged for delinquecie but im
not
>>> sure. either way we were
denied
>> any defence and arequest for a
>>> lawyer. if he was put in det
for
>> del, then they put the cart
before
>>> the horse. he should have
been
>> charged asked to plead guilty
or
>> not
>>> guilty that didnt happen. if
>> you walk in to local sheriffs
>> office
>>> shoot the sheriff in front of
>> everyone, you still get the
>>> oppertunity to plead your
case.
>> that is what i have a problem
>> with.
>>> not the punishment. if they
had
>> done it the right way i wouldnt
be
>>> on this chatboard, my son has
>> the right to plead his case
even
>> if
>>> hes guilty.
>>>> On 3/14/05, tv wrote:
>>>>> On 3/14/05, Curmudgeon
wrote:
>>>>>> Sir v, you're closer than
you
>>>> thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The posts piqued my
interest,
>>>> so I did a little digging.
In
>>>>>> the OP's home county, there
>> is
>>>> a cooperative program
>>>>>> established by the schools,
>>>> juvenile authorities, and the
>>>>>> courts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It kicks in when a child
has
>>>> received a third out-of-
school
>>>>>> suspension and is, thus,
>> facing
>>>> expulsion. Rather than
>>>>>> letting the little buggers
>> run
>>>> the streets unsupervised
while
>>>>>> suspended, they are
required
>> to
>>>> report to the program and
>>>>>> spend the days studying,
>> doing
>>>> community service, and taking
>>>>>> appropriate classes on
anger
>>>> management, life skills, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they fail to report on
the
>>>> first day of the suspension,
>>>>>> they will be picked up and
>> held
>>>> until they can go before the
>>>>>> judge and explain why they
>>>> didn't report. It is the
>> parents'
>>>>>> responsibility to get the
>> child
>>>> to the program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazingly, many of the
>> involved
>>>> parents complain because its
>>>>>> such a "hardship" to
deliver
>>>> the child to the program and
>> pick
>>>>>> him up at the end of the
day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/14/05, v wrote:
>>>>>>> TV: Are you related to
>>>> Roosta? I
>>>>>>> wouldn't worrie about the
>>>> little
>>>>>>> buggers. It'll keep them
off
>>>> the
>>>>>>> streets. Their probly
headed
>>>> for
>>>>>>> prison any way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/14/05, TV wrote:
>>>>>>>> hello reader. in the
city
>>>> of
>>>>>>> wabash in wabash county
ind
>>>>>>>> ther is an order from
local
>>>>>>> court that apon 3rd
referral
>>>>>>>> to out of school
suspension
>>>> from
>>>>>>> principal. that the child
>>>>>>>> is to be picked up
>>>> immmediatly
>>>>>>> and put in detention
center
>>>>>>>> until next court date.
some
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the offenses that can get
a
>>>>>>>> refferall are tardys
>>>> horseplay
>>>>>>> foul language ect. mostly
>>>>>>>> descretion of principal.
>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to me this gives principal
>>>>>>>> the power to sentence
>>>> children
>>>>>>> to jail time without their
>>>>>>>> due process. they also
make
>>>> them
>>>>>>> write out a statement of
>>>>>>>> guilt to be used against
>> them
>>>> in
>>>>>>> court but they are
>>>>>>>> teenagers and dont
>> understand
>>>>>>> what their doing as far as
>>>>>>>> legality, they are told
to
>>>> just
>>>>>>> write the statement and
>>>>>>>> they may or may not get
>>>>>>> suspended. they are not
told
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it will be used against
>> them
>>>> in
>>>>>>> court. it seems to me that
>>>>>>>> the principal given this
>>>> power
>>>>>>> should be considered as an
>>>>>>>> officer of the court and
>> have
>>>> to
>>>>>>> go by their rules as far
>>>>>>>> as interegating a student
>> for
>>>>>>> info to be solely used
>>>>>>>> against them in court.
and
>> my
>>>>>>> question is can a local
>>>>>>>> judge issue such a blank
>>>> order
>>>>>>> legally wouldnt it have to
>>>>>>>> be some type of city or
>>>> county
>>>>>>> ordinance. thnx tv
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ok gonna try this 1 more
time
>>>> the juvenile was taken to det
>>>>> center on friday he was to
>>>> report to day reporting on
>> monday
>>>>> thats today. we went to
court
>>>> today he spent the weekend in
>> det
>>>>> center. this morning in
court
>> he
>>>> was ordered to report to day
>>>>> reporting. i told the judge
we
>>>> wanted a lawyer, he said we
>> could
>>>>> hire a lawyer and contest it
>> but
>>>> as far as he was concernd my
>>>>> son was to report to day
>>>> reporting. we werent given
any
>>>>> oppertunity to put up a
>> defense
>>>> of any kind. and my son spent
3
>>>>> days in det without being
>>>> charged for any crime. so as
>> you
>>>> can
>>>>> see he wasnt sent to det
>> center
>>>> for not showing up. he was
sent
>>>>> because of the 3rd referral.
>> get
>>>> it now and he was also
>>>>> sentenced to day
reporting.
>>>> so you tell me where was the
>> due
>>>>> process we had 1 court
>>>> appearance and it was a
>>>>> sentecing. thnx tv
>>>>
>>