Re: Seven die in Chicago warehouse shooting

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On 10/15/05, Bill wrote:
> *I think only Law enforcement should carry guns to protect us
> Citizens*
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> I agree, but let's not forget that almost anything can be a
> deadly weapon
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> This animal murdered 6 people and had 12 previous arrests? I
> don't understand why they didn't send him back to his Country
> the first time that he broke the Law?
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> We Americans provide them with jobs, Health Insurance, Housing
> and so much more and this is what we get in return? No wonder
> some people are watching the borders trying to stop them from
> coming into this great Country of us
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> I hope he spend a lifetime in jail, because the Law was made for
> the lawless!
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> Bill
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> On 4/27/05, Joel Clyde wrote:
>> On 3/22/04, Sheila Cohen wrote:
>>> On 8/28/03, Shmuel Goldstein wrote:
>>>> A post from today's CNN (edited)
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>>>> Thursday, August 28, 2003 Posted: 4:10 AM EDT (0810 GMT)
>>>>
>>>> CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Salvador Tapia returned to the
>>>> Windy City Core Supply warehouse where he had been fired
>>>> six months ago and killed six of his former co-workers,
>>>> police said Wednesday.
>>>> Tapia, 36, was then shot and killed in the last of three
>>>> gunbattles with police, said acting police superintendent
>>>> Phil Cline.
>>>> Police tried to enter the building, but Tapia came out and
>>>> fired three shots at the officers, Cline said. Fire was
>>>> returned. One minute later, Tapia came back outside the
>>>> building and shot at police again.
>>>> Finally, after considering the injured victims inside, the
>>>> Hostage Barricade and Terrorist team was "ordered to make
>>>> an assault on the building."
>>>> Inside, authorities maneuvered through a maze of 55-gallon
>>>> drums, crates and steel containers filled with engine
>>>> parts. They found Tapia hiding behind the stored parts.
>>>> "He got up. He had the gun. They ordered him to drop the
>>>> gun. He refused to drop the gun, and that's when the
>>>> officer shot him," Cline said.
>>>> Tapia was found with a Walther PP .380-caliber
>>>> semiautomatic pistol and at least one extra clip of
>>>> ammunition.
>>>> Four of the victims died at the scene. The other three,
>>>> including the gunman, were taken to hospitals, police
>>>> spokesman David Bayless said.
>>>> According to the AP, the victims were identified as
>>>> business co-owner Alan Weiner, 50; his brother, Howard
>>>> Weiner, 59, the other co-owner; Howard Weiner's son,
>>> Daniel
>>>> Weiner, 30; Calvin Ramsey, 44; Robert Taylor, 53; and Juan
>>>> Valles, 34.
>>>> Tapia has been arrested 12 times, Cline said. He has an
>>>> arrest record dating back to 1989, including counts of
>>>> domestic battery, gun violations, aggravated assault and
>>>> driving while intoxicated.
>>>> "The problem here is easy access to a firearm," Cline told
>>>> reporters. "Here is someone who never should have had a
>>> gun
>>>> that had a gun."
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>>>>
>>>> I do not have to make up scenarios dealing with baseball
>>>> bats, knives, spoons, and tofu.
>>>>
>>>> We don't have to look at Nazi Germany, the USSR, or any
>>>> other either former, or hypothetical countries.
>>>>
>>>> The above story is real, it is from today, and it happened
>>>> in the good 'ole United States of America, alas.
>>>>
>>>> Salvador Tapia excercised his 2nd amendment right to bear
>>>> arms, and so he was able to purchase his gun, in spite of
>>>> the fact that he was arrested 12 times (!), with a record
>>>> going back 14 years.
>>>>
>>>> The rights of the victims to live were sacrificed on the
>>>> altar of the 2nd Amendment god.
>>>>
>>>> Repeal of the 2nd amendment would not have prevented the
>>>> police from having their weapons, but we must ask
>>> ourselves
>>>> if it would have prevent Salvador Tapia from having his?
>>>>
>>>> The US Constitution is not an absolute, divinely ordained
>>>> set of morals. It is a document made by man, and as such
>>> is
>>>> fallible. Fortunately, man can recognize a mistake, and
>>> fix
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Let's fix the mistake.
>>>>
>>>> Repeal the 2nd Amendment now, before more people die.
>>>
>>>
>>> YES ..I agree 100 &37; people don't kill people...guns kill
>>> people
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>>> Some people are time bombs ready to explode and all they
>>> need are guns to go on a killing spree of innocent people
>>>
>>> I think only Law enforcement should carry guns to protect us
>>> Citizens
>>>
>>> My $0.02 cents worth
>>
>> You're right. That's about what it's worth.
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>> I wouldn't dream of burdening you with statistics, proof,
>> logic or even rhetoric, since you didn't see fit to include
>> any in your response. If you feel safe with the police taking
>> 30 minutes or longer to respond to your 911 call, then by all
>> means...live that way. You do not, however, have the right to
>> endanger others with your liberal, anti-constitution views.
>>
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>> The thing that bugs me is that we are so nice, we even let
>> y'all vote (another right backed up by the 2nd
>> Ammendment...not by the police, who in times past prevented
>> both blacks and woman from voting...still feel safe?). Now
>> that's tolerance!
>>>>
\Repeal the 2nd amendment, are you flipping insane. Do you not
understand that would not stop these types of situations from
happening. We have laws to protect the innocent, not the guilty.
We have laws that the innocent follow, do you really think the
criminal follows? If they did, then we really wouldn't need laws.
The criminal has never/nor will ever follow the law. So what are
innocent victims supposed to do when a person comes into their
work with a gun, but noone else (innocent) has one? They all die.
Maybe you should pack all your worthless personal belongings and
move to a communist country and see if you like being told daily
what to wear, what to eat, what you can listen to on the radio,
what job you can hold, who you marry, will you marry, how many
children you can have (if any). We are Americans, we are somewhat
free, we have rights, and by God we need to exercise them or we
will lose them, as we are losing them slowly everyday. I don't
know about the rest of you but I will NEVER lay down my arms. I am
an natural born American citizen, and I say what happens in my
country, I say what laws I want my representative to put before
the house and control is not one of them.