Re: Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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With or without DETC, why would anyone pick this school? None of their graduates can pass the bar
examination.

On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
> and that is just the way it is.
>
> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
> accreditation.
>
> They have different management for the accreditation
> and different programs and doctorates were removed
> except for behavorial program and law program as
> required for DETC.
>
>
> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>> rather than fact a denial.
>>
>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>> Karen
>>>
>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>
>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>