Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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If you don't have any information why are you and others claiming that Cal Southern will be accredited? Who but a Cal
Southern salesperson would make such a claim?

On 12/30/09, Larry the moron wrote:
> No you dumbfk, I don't have any information. >
> On 12/29/09, Larry wrote:
>> My interest is the truth. Aren't you the one with the "inside" information?
>>
>> On 12/29/09, Larry the moron wrote:
>>> what is your interest here? are you mentally sick or something?
>>>
>>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>>> I'll pass this thread along to DETC. I expect that the DETC Governors will be interested in what Cal Southern says
>>>> that the Governors must do.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/09, it is based on many things wrote:
>>>>> Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.
>>>>>
>>>>> they accredit the whole school.
>>>>>
>>>>> and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
>>>>>> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
>>>>>> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>>>>>>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>>>>>>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>>>>>>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>>>>>>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>>>>>>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>>>>>>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>>>>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>