Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.

they accredit the whole school.

and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.

On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>
> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>
> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>
>
> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>
>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>
>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>
>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>
>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>