Re: Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.

You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
the school never in its history had a graduate pass
the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.

On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>
> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>> They do have some graduates that have
>> passed the California Bar !
>>
>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>
>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>> accreditation.
>>>>
>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>