Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.

Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
zero. Concord has nearly 50% and taft not far behind.

I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.

On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>
> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>
> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>
>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>
>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>