Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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My interest is the truth. Aren't you the one with the "inside" information?

On 12/29/09, Larry the moron wrote:
> what is your interest here? are you mentally sick or something?
>
> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>> I'll pass this thread along to DETC. I expect that the DETC Governors will be interested in what Cal Southern says
>> that the Governors must do.
>>
>> On 12/28/09, it is based on many things wrote:
>>> Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.
>>>
>>> they accredit the whole school.
>>>
>>> and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.
>>>
>>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>>> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
>>>> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
>>>> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>>>>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>>>>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>>>>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>>>>
>>>>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>>>>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>>>>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>>>>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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