Re: Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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They do have some graduates that have
passed the California Bar !

On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>
> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>> and that is just the way it is.
>>
>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>> accreditation.
>>
>> They have different management for the accreditation
>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>> required for DETC.
>>
>>
>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>
>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>