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LD-- I don't believe you. I have posted below the recent post from "Mike" which uses the
same strange sentence structure, multiple dashes, etc. We'll let others decide whether the
two posts come from the same person.

Post from "Mike":

An LLM can get you bar admission with a non aba jd for DC. You can have any non
aba jd even if an exec jd with an LLM, But the LLM has to be in subjects dc tests
on----I called DC the other day and they do accept LLM credits for their 26 credit
requirement--and Its Not just 1L or 2l courses, they have a whole list on the dc
bar admission page, but you can earn your llm and take courses like
wills,trusts,estates,ethics,corp,agency.partnership--etc. My friend is going to
Novus since they have a 2 year Non bar JD program, and is trying to get some of
the aba credits online at 1 of the many new aba online llm programs, and he might
get the rest at an in person llm program. He got a 1st copy of the new book
coming out, onlinelawschoolbook.com but I just called americas legal where its
offered and its being re released next week. But you can earn aba credits at
thomas jefferson online, cooley online, uconn online, nova southeastern online--
all from the law school, and their are tons of other aba programs in this book
along with every us online jd program in the us, even not california schools. So,
if you want to go the DC route since you ask about LLM to sit for the bar, DC
doesnt make you take the baby bar, and you can sit in 2-3 years. Even if you cant
get all the credits online, just get your non aba jd, and go to an in person llm
program, and sit for DC----------(novus 2 years) LLM 1 year) and sit for DC in 3
years and no need for the baby bar and no need for 4 years.

On 2/10/08, LD wrote:
> I have not wrote any book. I do know someone that did get a copy of the online law book(a
> friend of my friend and its being re relaesed when I called americas book store, and its
> just a guide book on each school, so, for anyone wanting to learn about DL, there are no
> other sources like aba school and US news and the 100's of other publications on aba
> schools. Plus, it is helped me chose Novus when I found out its only 2 years for their JD
> program, and you can take some online aba courses(llm online), you can get some of the dc
> credits online. I am not Mike, and again I was only TRYING TO OFFER HELP TO PEOPLE---
>
> #2, I published the email and phone # for washington state. I dont plan on going their
> (washington), but in that book It mentioned wash state so I did my homework as on ncbex it
> says 3-5 years. THe book is accurate , so besides me just getting an email from wash
> state, it is published in this new book coming out.
>
> #3 I dont see a need for a letter for DC when it clearly states that any non aba jd is ok
> with 26 bar tested aba subjects, and if you go to the dc appeals site for bar
> requirements, it lists the 20 or so subjects. Plus, I spoke to a MR Dix(the director of
> the DC Bar, not a phone worker), and was told that LLM subjects are ok.
> coa@dcca.state.dc.us thats the DC bar email for anyone interested.
>
> I was not trying to drum up the subject again, but I have been away and checked my emails
> and saw that the state of washington emailed me back. and said CA DL schools are ok if you
> pass CA 1st. SO, I picked up the phone, and since I am going the DC Route, asked if I
> passed DC would it be ok as well and was told they ruled only for CA and are not changing
> it on ncbex so they are not bombarded with phone calls.
>
> I wish you all good luck, I am starting Novus in 3 weeks for their March semester, and as
> a backup, St thomas law school in Miami(In person) does not have the online llm anymore,
> but St thomas accepts non aba jd students, its a friday and saturday 1 yr program, and
> allows you to take electives from the JD program. So, since I was told that a Degree form
> Novus or any non aba jd(Novus has had students take dc by the way per the school), and 26
> LLM credits taking the courses listed on dc appeals site, will allow me to sit for the DC
> Bar. I AM OUT---------DONT LIKE BEING BASHED AND FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS INFO-----MY INFO
> IS ACCURATE----------------
> SO good luck to you all. I JUST THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE LIVING OUT WEST AND IN THE
> NORTHWEST WOULD WANT TO KNOW THEY CAN SIT FOR THE WASH BAR IF THEY PASS CA 1ST if you have
> a non aba JD----------HERe IS THE WASHINGTON STATE EMAIL< PHONE #, and CONTACT------So,
> call for yourself---
>
>
> Guys, I dont get it. Heres a list on why you are bashing me? When someone wants to help
> people, has accurate info, and I am giving you a phone and email to verify it for
> yourself, whats the deal against me? Cause I mentioned some new book that came out that
> details online law schools? now its my book? I have seen people preach other things and
> dont get bashed? Cause I type fast and dont correct my errors? Maybe I spend more time
> on this subject then you, have read the online law schools book, and called and verified
> everything myself that I thought was not listed accuarately? Posted about online aba
> programs that I read in this book? Cause I posted that you can possibly get the DC
> credits online at 1 of the many new ABA masters programs online? Some credits are possible
> to get online with all these Top ABA programs that now have distance learning
> components. Cause I posted that you can take an in person LLM(dc subjects), take any non
> aba jd,even exec jd's, and sit for DC? Is it because I want to go that route of DC and
> not CA? Look, You say letters, I have spoken to the Director of the DC Bar, and was
> told Novus or any non aba jd is ok(and it says it on ncxbex), Was told by the director
> that LLM credits are ok for the 26 required for DC, now have a 2nd email and a
> conversation on the phone with the state of washington saying any CA DL school is ok if
> you pass CA bar 1st, No waiting period of 3-5 years to sit for the washington state bar. -
> Look, I got that email back, and out of kindness just in case someone didnt believe me, I
> posted it. Again, I called back and spoke to mary barnes and she verbally told me this as
> well, IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED ON NCBEX---------BUT< IF YOU TALK TO THE BAR YOURSELF< ISNT
> THAT GOOD ENOUGH? PLUS, HAVING AN EMAIL FROM THE MGR OF THE DEPT? anyway, Good Luck
> and I was only trying to help since there was an issue on me posting wrong info about the
> state of washington------------admissions@wsba.org Wash state ruled that DL students
> from Ca that pass the Ca bar can sit immed for the wash st bar.
>
>
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> Subject: RE: Bar question for Mary
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:01:28 -0800
> From: admissions@wsba.org
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> The WA Supreme Court ruled that only for a CA attorney that a non ABA education was ok.
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> Mary B. Barnes
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> Regulatory Services, Admissions Manager
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> Washington State Bar Association
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> 1325 4th Avenue, Suite 600
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> Seattle WA 98101
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> (206) 727-8229
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> On 2/10/08, LD wrote:
>> Mary is a staff manager----------Here is the email---- Please see the state of
>> washington eamil below------Anyone that does not believe me, please email. I did a
>> follow up call and asked her about DC. Wash state only ruled for ca DL students and IF
>> THEY ARE ADMITTED to CA 1st, there is no waiting time to sit for washington state bar.
>> PLEASE CALL THE # BELOW----- Without bashing me again, Calling the state bar directly
>> would let you know if I am accurate correct? thats all I am saying. You have to pass
>> CA 1st----------no waiting time to sit for wash bar-------Email and Phone # below, so
>> dont take my word for it. Call yourselves-------------------AND I AM NOT MIKE
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: RE: Bar question for Mary
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:01:28 -0800
>> From: admissions@wsba.org
>>
>>
>> The WA Supreme Court ruled that only for a CA attorney that a non ABA education was ok.
>>
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>>
>> Mary B. Barnes
>>
>> Regulatory Services, Admissions Manager
>>
>> Washington State Bar Association
>>
>> 1325 4th Avenue, Suite 600
>>
>> Seattle WA 98101
>>
>> (206) 727-8229
>>
>>
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>> On 2/10/08, LD wrote:
>>>
>>> Do not know a Mike------If he reads my posts, so be it. I did post something
>>> yesterdat about washingtom. I do not have an alias ------sorry.
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>>> On 2/10/08, Michael T. wrote:
>>>> Ah, it appears our friend LD is back-- this time under the alias "Mike." The writing
>>>> style is unmistakeable. Too funny. And marketing his online law schools book again,
>>>> I might add.
>>>>
>>>> LD, I understand your passion for this topic, however the concern here is that you
>>>> are misleading others. Nothing you state below has yet to be verified in writing
>>>> from any State Bar Association. Nor have you been able to produce the name of just
>>>> ONE student, on the entire planet, who has succeeded taking the route you suggest.
>>>>
>>>> Your comments in another post about "Mary" and her opinions regarding WA law are
>>>> another clear example, as "--" points out, of a flaw in your research and reasoning
>>>> (both critical qualities, I might add, in a successful attorney).
>>>>
>>>> You've got to understand, LD, that a phone call with "Mary" does not and will never
>>>> supercede published WA statutory law (again, as "--" points out). Do you understand?
>>>>
>>>> I had thought we were finished with this thread, however it appears to have come
>>>> roaring back. I realize you are feeling the need to push your "online law schools"
>>>> book, however you must realize by now that this forum will not simply allow you to
>>>> publish half-baked truths, which mislead people, without a response.
>>>>
>>>> So, again, for perhaps the 100th time, we offer the same challenge we've offered in
>>>> the past. If you can meet this challenge, I guarantee you will receive respect and
>>>> perhaps even some apologies. Why you won't pursue this continues to be a mystery to
>>>> myself and others.
>>>>
>>>> Here we go:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Obtain a signed letter from the WA State Bar stating that if you pass the CA Bar,
>>>> you will immediately become certified to take the WA State Bar exam, and not be
>>>> subject to any practice requirement, with a non-bar JD degree from a non-ABA school.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Obtain a signed letter from the DC State Bar stating that with a non-bar JD
>>>> degree, from an unaccredited school, along with 26-credit hours of online LLM
>>>> courses (and list the courses and their descriptions so they are ultra clear in what
>>>> you are proposing), you will be certified to sit for DC's Bar Exam.
>>>>
>>>> Really, LD, that's all we're asking. It's actually quite simple. Rather than
>>>> continue to banter about with your and "Mary's" understanding of state law, just get
>>>> it in writing, as any solid attorney would do. Get the letters and you'll be the
>>>> man.
>>>>
>>>> Could you please respond to this note? In particular, please let us know why you are
>>>> unwilling to take these steps? Thanks a lot and good luck.
>>>>
>>>> Mike (the real Mike, by the way :))
>>>>
>>>> On 2/09/08, Mike wrote:
>>>>> An LLM can get you bar admission with a non aba jd for DC. You can have any non
>>>>> aba jd even if an exec jd with an LLM, But the LLM has to be in subjects dc tests
>>>>> on----I called DC the other day and they do accept LLM credits for their 26 credit
>>>>> requirement--and Its Not just 1L or 2l courses, they have a whole list on the dc
>>>>> bar admission page, but you can earn your llm and take courses like
>>>>> wills,trusts,estates,ethics,corp,agency.partnership--etc. My friend is going to
>>>>> Novus since they have a 2 year Non bar JD program, and is trying to get some of
>>>>> the aba credits online at 1 of the many new aba online llm programs, and he might
>>>>> get the rest at an in person llm program. He got a 1st copy of the new book
>>>>> coming out, onlinelawschoolbook.com but I just called americas legal where its
>>>>> offered and its being re released next week. But you can earn aba credits at
>>>>> thomas jefferson online, cooley online, uconn online, nova southeastern online--
>>>>> all from the law school, and their are tons of other aba programs in this book
>>>>> along with every us online jd program in the us, even not california schools. So,
>>>>> if you want to go the DC route since you ask about LLM to sit for the bar, DC
>>>>> doesnt make you take the baby bar, and you can sit in 2-3 years. Even if you cant
>>>>> get all the credits online, just get your non aba jd, and go to an in person llm
>>>>> program, and sit for DC----------(novus 2 years) LLM 1 year) and sit for DC in 3
>>>>> years and no need for the baby bar and no need for 4 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/06/08, -- wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/05/08, vechio wrote:
>>>>>>> As I read it page 45 and 46 refers to foreign law school graduates. Probably
>>>>>>> best to refer to the NC and CT bar for clarification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below is the current NC education requirements from the "Rules Governing the
>>>>>> Admission to Practice Law in the State of North Carolina" (See the bar examiners
>>>>>> website for NC) There are no DL law schools on the approved list including ABA
>>>>>> DL schools that offer an LL.M degree. Please note that the requirement says
>>>>>> EVERY APPLICANT not just foreign applicants and it says A LAW SCHOOL APPROVED by
>>>>>> the state bar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Connecticut has a similar provision and their list of approved law schools has
>>>>>> no DL schools listed. CA is the only state that allows DL students to sit for a
>>>>>> first time bar exam. Everyone else will require a minimum of 3 years licensed
>>>>>> practice if you don't have an ABA J.D. You can believe what you want, however;
>>>>>> those considering a law school education should not be misled by wishful
>>>>>> thinking that is not fact based.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Section: .0702 LEGAL EDUCATION
>>>>>> Every applicant applying for admission to practice law in the State of North
>>>>>> Carolina, before being granted a license to practice law, shall prove to the
>>>>>> satisfaction of the Board that said applicant has graduated from a law school
>>>>>> approved by the Council of The North Carolina State Bar or that said applicant
>>>>>> will graduate within thirty (30) days after the date of the written bar
>>>>>> examination from a law school approved by the Council of the North Carolina
>>>>>> State Bar. There shall be filed with the Secretary a certificate of the dean, or
>>>>>> other proper official of said law school, certifying the date of the applicant's
>>>>>> graduation. A list of the approved law schools is available in the office of the
>>>>>> Secretary.