Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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Call Michigan, you will find a non ABA J.D. degree will not
get you into the Michigan bar, even with an ABA LL.M degree.

In June 2004 they changed the rules and basically now you
need to have met those conditions plus "relevant legal
experience"

If you dont have that you can not get admitted to the
bar in ANY state with a non bar J.D. UNLESS your already
first admitted to the Bar of California.

On 7/08/06, Joel wrote:
> Real lawyer my a@$ you’re a loser who could not qualify to sit for a
> grade school exam.
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> On 7/07/06, A real lawyer wrote:
>> "relevant legal education, such as an LLM degree from
>> a reputable and qualified law school, and experience that
>> otherwise qualifies the applicant to take the examination"
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>> Call the State Bar of Michigan, you will discover 2 things.
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>> One, an LL.M degree from a reputable an qualifed law school
>> is an ABA LL.M degree and nothing else is acceptable.
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>> Second, in addition to the LL.M degree from an ABA approved
>> law school one must have EXPERIENCE THAT OTHERWISE QUALIFIES
>> THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THE EXAMINATION.
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>> Some have taken that to mean previous law practice and admission
>> to another state.
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>> On 7/06/06, Joel wrote:
>>> I hope you are not the same lawyer who didn’t know that you
>>> could qualify to sit for the California Bar by studying with a
>>> lawyer at a law or by studying with a Judge in Chambers.
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>>> This is what by the Michigan Bar:
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>>> Rule 2 Admission by Examination
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>>> (A) An application must be filed by November 1 for the February
>>> examination, or March 1 for the July examination. Late
>>> applications will be accepted until December 15 for the February
>>> examination, or May 15 for the July examination. An application
>>> must be accompanied by payment of the fee. All materials filed
>>> are confidential.
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>>> (B) Before taking the examination, an applicant must obtain a JD
>>> degree from a reputable and qualified law school that
>>> (1) is incorporated in the United States, its territories, or
>>> the District of Columbia; and
>>> (2) requires for graduation 3 school years of study for full-
>>> time students, and 4 school years of study for part-time or
>>> night students. A school year must be at least 30 weeks.
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>>> A law school approved by the American Bar Association is
>>> reputable and qualified. Other schools may ask the Board to
>>> approve the school as reputable and qualified. In the event the
>>> law school has ceased operations since an applicant's
>>> graduation, the request for approval may be made by the
>>> applicant. The Board may in its discretion permit applicants who
>>> do not possess a JD degree from an ABA-approved law school to
>>> take the examination based upon factors including, but not
>>> limited to, relevant legal education, such as an LLM degree from
>>> a reputable and qualified law school, and experience that
>>> otherwise qualifies the applicant to take the examination.
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>>> (C) The State Bar character and fitness committee will
>>> investigate each applicant. The applicant must disclose any
>>> criminal conviction which carries a possible penalty of
>>> incarceration in jail or prison that has not been reversed or
>>> vacated and comply with the committee's requirements and
>>> requests. The committee will report the results of its
>>> investigation to the Board. If the committee report shows that
>>> an applicant lacks the necessary character and fitness, the
>>> Board will review the application, record, and report. If the
>>> Board accepts the report, the applicant is entitled to a hearing
>>> before the Board and may use the Board's subpoena power. The
>>> Board may permit an applicant to take the examination before the
>>> character and fitness committee reports. The Board will release
>>> the applicant's grade if character and fitness committee
>>> approval is obtained.
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>>> (D) Every applicant for admission must achieve a passing score,
>>> as determined by the board, on the Multistate Professional
>>> Responsibility Examination.
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>>> (E) The board may permit an applicant entering the armed forces
>>> before the examination immediately following graduation to take
>>> an earlier examination. The applicant must have completed,
>>> before the examination, 2 1/2 years full-time or 3 1/2 years
>>> part-time study. The Board will release the applicant's grade
>>> when the school certifies the applicant's graduation.
>>>
>>> (F) The applicant is responsible for meeting all requirements
>>> before the examination. The board may act on information about
>>> an applicant's character whenever the information is received.
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>>> On 7/06/06, A real lawyer here wrote:
>>>> Read the Michigan Rules, AT ONE TIME, Michigan would accept a
>>>> non ABA J.D. degree ONLY if the person also had an ABA LL.M
>>>> degree.
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>>>> That option was ELIMINATED in June of 2004 and one
>>>> with a correspondence J.D. degree no longer qualifies for the
>>>> Michigan Bar Exam even with an ABA LL.M degree.
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>>>> """You may have a lot more options than you think first of
>>>> all you may want to check out the admission requirements for
>>>> your home state if I understand the information correctly on
>>>> the Michigan’s State Bar web site you may qualify to sit for
>>>> their bar with a DL JD from California""
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>>>> On 7/06/06, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. You may have a lot more options than you think first of
>>>>> all you may want to check out the admission requirements for
>>>>> your home state if I understand the information correctly on
>>>>> the Michigan’s State Bar web site you may qualify to sit for
>>>>> their bar with a DL JD from California. See: michbar.org
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Additionally you do not have to be a lawyer in order to
>>>>> be a Register Patent Agent, check out the USPTO’s web site
>>>>> under FAQ’s for instructions on how to apply. See: uspto.gov
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. I will be studying at North Western California School of
>>>>> Law in the fall I think it is a great school it has been
>>>>> around for about 30 years I believe and it offers an
>>>>> interactive approach to study via distance learning. West
>>>>> Coast School of Law is the most economical it is less
>>>>> expensive than North Western California School of Law;
>>>>> however, it is not as interactive you really have to be a
>>>>> disciplined self starter because you will go it alone.
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>>>>> On 4/17/06, John wrote:
>>>>>> I have no legal background.I'm thinking of studying law
>>>>>> online at a California law school for 2,3 or 4 years eg
>>>>> BSL,
>>>>>> JD non-bar or JD, eg at NWCSL or WCSL.I have a Bachelors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to be able to work long-distance doing
>>>>> legal
>>>>>> research, maybe for a law firm in the state of California.
>>>>> I
>>>>>> read about an America lawyer from California who lives in
>>>>>> the south of Mexico, and works for an American company
>>>>> doing
>>>>>> legal research online. I find this idea inspiring.
>>>>>> I have the impression that California is the highest
>>>>>> paying state for legal workers of all kinds, and is also
>>>>> the
>>>>>> most the litigious state in the country, thus providing
>>>>> more
>>>>>> work.
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>>>>>> I presently work full-time as a registered nurse in the
>>>>>> state of Michigan. Possible areas of specialization might
>>>>>> include: litigation, medical malpractice, and possibly
>>>>> patents.
>>>>>> Are these assumptions valid? Do you think this idea is
>>>>>> practical?
>>>>>> Should I just study for a paralegal course (low pay?) or
>>>>>> patent agent job instead?
>>>>>>