Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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Bottom line !

You are an advocate or representative.

You are NOT an attorney at law.

You are a wannabe someday might be but
currently, I suspect, a mail order law
degree student probably West Coast School
of Law.

I am an ABA graduate and attorney at law.

Bottom line !

On 9/30/08, ... wrote:
> Why does it make you so angry that you are wrong ???
>
> SSA practice is for sure the practice of law.
>
> Its authorized by federal statute and NO STATE can regulate it.
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> People practice law all the time without being admitted - if you recall its UPL.
>
> Well, but for the federal statutes allowing non-lawyers to appear in SSA proceedings it would be UPL.
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> But its AUTHORIZED.
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> I also PRACTICE LAW in certain of the Indian Supreme Courts.
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> I handle felony defenses, divorces, custody, and contract matters in front of a judge - just like state court.
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> But I am ADMITTED by the tribal court even though I'm not yet admitted to the state bar.
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> My guess is YOU are not an attorney licensed anywhere. On the off chance you are, I suspect you are slaving away at
> junior paralegal work angry at your plight so you come on here trying to impress people and tear them down.
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> A great many of us know your kind.
>
> Now if you will excuse me I have a hearing to go to. For a real client. With a real judge.
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> And I get paid real money.
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> On 9/30/08, Facts Straight wrote:
>> "SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law"\
>>
>> YOU CAN NOT PRACTICE LAW UNLESS YOU ARE ADMITTED TO THE
>> BAR.
>>
>> You are a representative and advocate if you are before
>> an adminstrative agency but NOT practicing law if you
>> are not an attorney at law.
>>
>> On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
>>> Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
>>> do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
>>> enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
>>>
>>> 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
>>> in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
>>>
>>> Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
>>> very real legal consequences to the client.
>>>
>>> Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
>>> order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
>>>
>>> SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
>>>
>>> There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
>>>
>>> There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
>>>
>>> These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
>>> administrative rulings, and federal case law.
>>>
>>> SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
>>> competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
>>> hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
>>>
>>> Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
>>> the poop :)
>>>
>>> Back to practicing law now....
>>>
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>>> On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
>>>> Here we go again.
>>>>
>>>> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
>>>> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
>>>> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
>>>> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
>>>> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
>>>>
>>>> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
>>>> law".
>>>>
>>>> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
>>>> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
>>>>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
>>>>>
>>>>> CP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
>>>>>>> Guys & Gals,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
>>>>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
>>>>>>> $150k per year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.