Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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Education is what you make of it. I forgot most of the
lectures I attended. However that girl in the front row
is still on my mind. Most profs are hornblowing ego
maniacs. Whatever floats your boat. Choose a school
that you enjoy. The idea of a TV debate ranks up
there as a top ten idiotic suggestion. Who friggen cares?

Idiot Police

On 9/12/08, Finally ABA resolved wrote:
> Finally someone admitted an accredited ABA JD degree
> is a superior legal education to a degree from a
> law school operated out of a guy's house !!
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> On 9/12/08, twallstbroker wrote:
>> Enough about the "ABA JD" vs. "Distance Learning Degree" debate
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>> I'm tired reading the rants and tirades on both sides.
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>> Neither side will capitulate....that's a given truth.
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>> The "ABA JD" route is not the only route to a career in the field of law. It doesn't matter what
>> the "superior" degree is educationally or if some dimwit wants to have a useless debate on TV on the
>> merits of what a purported legal education should be. It only matters what the State Committee of Bar
>> Examiners allows in the State of California. They set the educational requirements ......PERIOD.
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>> If an ABA JD graduate is jealous that a person with can further themselves with an either an online,
>> distance learning or correspondence degree in law, then so be it. Let them eat cake! It isn't even
>> worth debating what a 3rd person "feels" or "wants". Those are phantom issues. The State of California
>> has approved distance learning and that is the end of the argument....PERIOD.
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>> P.S. If you don't believe me...go to the State Bar website & see 14 different online registered schools
>> authorized to provide legal education in the State of CA.
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>> I make no comparisons on the quality of an ABA vs. Distance learning degree. There is no debate. Anyone
>> that possibly could choose & attend an ABA school should go there. An ABA JD is a more sound investment
>> and will no doubt provide a better legal education than distance learning (as it should be).....PERIOD.
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>> P.S. You have to get something for dropping six figures on it!
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>> However, that is not an option for all students of law & nor should there be a monopoly to discourage
>> otherwise. If a person decides to pursue an available, cost-efficient, legal method to enter & practice
>> the field of law than so be it.....PERIOD.
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>> Let's move on to bigger and better issues
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>> Non-ABA JD Graduate
>> twallstbroker
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>> (FYLSE passed 1st attempt, MPRE passed 1st attempt, Bar Candidate 09)
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>> On 9/12/08, Go ABA Go wrote:
>>> Depends on that ABA school you go to.
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>>> ABA is still by far the superior way
>>> to go. Regionally accredited, ABA accredited,
>>> accepted as gold standard in all 50 states.
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>>> You can go to medical school in carribean
>>> or some run down school in 3rd world country
>>> or you can go to U.S. medical school which
>>> is gold standard.
>>>
>>> Sorry I support the gold standard.....cant
>>> go wrong accepted everywhere.
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>>> On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>> That depends. If you have no wife/husband or kids, live close to an ABA law school, and like to
>>>> be in six figure debt by the time you graduate, go for it.
>>>>
>>>> For other intelligent people, CA DL law schools are an option.
>>>>
>>>> Take it from someone who spent six weeks at a tier 3 ABA---they are not all they cracked up to be.
>>>> My crim law professor opined about how serial rapists should not be put to death. I disagreed, and
>>>> didn't want to listen to that hogwash. You can have the ABA and their professors, who according to
>>>> www.lawschool.com, support Obama 20 to 1. I am not in a race to be a community organizer. Thanks
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
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>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>> On 9/12/08, GO ABA GO wrote:
>>>>> There are a number of ABA law schools
>>>>> with part time evening programs.
>>>>>
>>>>> ABA is best choice, the degree is regionally accredited
>>>>> in most cases, and it is ABA accredited J.D. therefore can be
>>>>> use automatically in all 50 states.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some California ABA part time programs are priced reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>>> Your key words being "probably" and "appears." The only way to know is to write and ask the bar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Truthfully, its better and cheaper to just take the CA DL route at West Coast or Concord or
>>>>>> anywhere else, depending on what you want and what you can afford. However, to each their own, I
>>>>>> always say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>>>> On 9/11/08, steve wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Crown Prince,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If one has an advanced graduate route UK LLB, the CA Bar will probably require the candidate
>>>>>>> to study at an ABA or CA accredited law school for two years in order to qualify for the CA
>>>>>>> bar exam.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well said. There is no "easy" way. There is only one loophole that will allow you to finish
>>>>>>>> faster than the four year correspondence law route in California (3, if timed correctly).
>>>>>>>> Though I have certainly not seen anyone do this, from the California rules it appears that
>>>>>>>> you can get an LLB from London External under the advanced graduate route. The LLB will then
>>>>>>>> take you two years. You can then get an LLM from St. Thomas or another school which offers
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> ABA LLM. Anything short of this will not work. In fact, I am not even sure it will work. I
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not reccomend this for a few reasons. First of all, the external LLB does not cover all of
>>>>>>>> the California subjects. Second, I don't know anyone who has done this. Maybe I am wrong in
>>>>>>>> my idea, and welcome someone to tell me I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with the previous poster that unless he/she/whatever they are can produce a written,
>>>>>>>> signed document from someone of authority at the D.C. bar, then this is really all just
>>>>>>>> wasted time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no easy way to become a lawyer. There are non-traditional ways, but no easy ways.
>>>>>>>> Take it from someone who has faced an uphill battle: it is very possible to become a lawyer,
>>>>>>>> but it is no easy feat (I am saying that, and I am only halfway there).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If something seems too good to be true...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, -- wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The followings were the question I asked DC and the response I got:
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Non-ABA-approved law school J.D. + 26 semester hours in tested subjects from
>>>>>>>>>> ABA-approved law school
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To Whom It May Concern:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the above combination can qualify one to sit for the DC Bar. And
>>>>>>>>>> under Rule 46 (b) (8) (iii), it seems like the tax law subjects are now qualify.
>>>>>>>>>> So let's say I have a J.D. from a non-ABA law school. And if I complete a ABA-approved
>>>>>>>>>> LL.M. in taxation and only with 26 units of tax classes, can I qualify to sit for the DC
>>>>>>>>>> Bar?
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> No. You need to have 26 semester hours in tested subjects as provided for by our
>>>>>>>>>> Rules. While a basic tax course will likely be accepted, the bar examination does not
>>>>>>>>>> test on advanced tax matters. You need to have a combination of subjects that are
>>>>>>>>>> tested in the examination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The DC 26 credit policy exception is primarily aimed at ABA students that completed their
>>>>>>>>> first year then dropped out. It is a very generous second chance for them to finish at a
>>>>>>>>> non-ABA school and sit for the bar in DC. Unfortunately, awhile back a few misguided
>>>>>>>>> posters on this board tried to turn it into a loop-hole for DL graduates. It is exactly
>>>>>>>>> what the response says it is. Thank you for writing the DC bar and sharing the above
>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like it or not -- except for CA there is no way around an ABA JD for first time bar exam
>>>>>>>>> applicants.