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Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission
Posted by Finally ABA resolved on 9/12/08

    Finally someone admitted an accredited ABA JD degree
    is a superior legal education to a degree from a
    law school operated out of a guy's house !!

    On 9/12/08, twallstbroker wrote:
    > Enough about the "ABA JD" vs. "Distance Learning Degree" debate
    >
    > I'm tired reading the rants and tirades on both sides.
    >
    > Neither side will capitulate....that's a given truth.
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    > The "ABA JD" route is not the only route to a career in the field of law. It doesn't matter what
    > the "superior" degree is educationally or if some dimwit wants to have a useless debate on TV on the
    > merits of what a purported legal education should be. It only matters what the State Committee of Bar
    > Examiners allows in the State of California. They set the educational requirements ......PERIOD.
    >
    > If an ABA JD graduate is jealous that a person with can further themselves with an either an online,
    > distance learning or correspondence degree in law, then so be it. Let them eat cake! It isn't even
    > worth debating what a 3rd person "feels" or "wants". Those are phantom issues. The State of California
    > has approved distance learning and that is the end of the argument....PERIOD.
    >
    > P.S. If you don't believe me...go to the State Bar website & see 14 different online registered schools
    > authorized to provide legal education in the State of CA.
    >
    > I make no comparisons on the quality of an ABA vs. Distance learning degree. There is no debate. Anyone
    > that possibly could choose & attend an ABA school should go there. An ABA JD is a more sound investment
    > and will no doubt provide a better legal education than distance learning (as it should be).....PERIOD.
    >
    > P.S. You have to get something for dropping six figures on it!
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    > However, that is not an option for all students of law & nor should there be a monopoly to discourage
    > otherwise. If a person decides to pursue an available, cost-efficient, legal method to enter & practice
    > the field of law than so be it.....PERIOD.
    >
    > Let's move on to bigger and better issues
    >
    > Non-ABA JD Graduate
    > twallstbroker
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    > (FYLSE passed 1st attempt, MPRE passed 1st attempt, Bar Candidate 09)
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    > On 9/12/08, Go ABA Go wrote:
    >> Depends on that ABA school you go to.
    >>
    >> ABA is still by far the superior way
    >> to go. Regionally accredited, ABA accredited,
    >> accepted as gold standard in all 50 states.
    >>
    >> You can go to medical school in carribean
    >> or some run down school in 3rd world country
    >> or you can go to U.S. medical school which
    >> is gold standard.
    >>
    >> Sorry I support the gold standard.....cant
    >> go wrong accepted everywhere.
    >>
    >> On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>> That depends. If you have no wife/husband or kids, live close to an ABA law school, and like to
    >>> be in six figure debt by the time you graduate, go for it.
    >>>
    >>> For other intelligent people, CA DL law schools are an option.
    >>>
    >>> Take it from someone who spent six weeks at a tier 3 ABA---they are not all they cracked up to be.
    >>> My crim law professor opined about how serial rapists should not be put to death. I disagreed, and
    >>> didn't want to listen to that hogwash. You can have the ABA and their professors, who according to
    >>> www.lawschool.com, support Obama 20 to 1. I am not in a race to be a community organizer. Thanks
    >>> anyway.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Crown Prince
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/12/08, GO ABA GO wrote:
    >>>> There are a number of ABA law schools
    >>>> with part time evening programs.
    >>>>
    >>>> ABA is best choice, the degree is regionally accredited
    >>>> in most cases, and it is ABA accredited J.D. therefore can be
    >>>> use automatically in all 50 states.
    >>>>
    >>>> Some California ABA part time programs are priced reasonable.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>> Your key words being "probably" and "appears." The only way to know is to write and ask the bar.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Truthfully, its better and cheaper to just take the CA DL route at West Coast or Concord or
    >>>>> anywhere else, depending on what you want and what you can afford. However, to each their own, I
    >>>>> always say.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/11/08, steve wrote:
    >>>>>> Hi Crown Prince,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If one has an advanced graduate route UK LLB, the CA Bar will probably require the candidate
    >>>>>> to study at an ABA or CA accredited law school for two years in order to qualify for the CA
    >>>>>> bar exam.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/05/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>>> Well said. There is no "easy" way. There is only one loophole that will allow you to finish
    >>>>>>> faster than the four year correspondence law route in California (3, if timed correctly).
    >>>>>>> Though I have certainly not seen anyone do this, from the California rules it appears that
    >>>>>>> you can get an LLB from London External under the advanced graduate route. The LLB will then
    >>>>>>> take you two years. You can then get an LLM from St. Thomas or another school which offers
    >>>>>> an
    >>>>>>> ABA LLM. Anything short of this will not work. In fact, I am not even sure it will work. I
    >>>>>> do
    >>>>>>> not reccomend this for a few reasons. First of all, the external LLB does not cover all of
    >>>>>>> the California subjects. Second, I don't know anyone who has done this. Maybe I am wrong in
    >>>>>>> my idea, and welcome someone to tell me I am wrong.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I agree with the previous poster that unless he/she/whatever they are can produce a written,
    >>>>>>> signed document from someone of authority at the D.C. bar, then this is really all just
    >>>>>>> wasted time.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> There is no easy way to become a lawyer. There are non-traditional ways, but no easy ways.
    >>>>>>> Take it from someone who has faced an uphill battle: it is very possible to become a lawyer,
    >>>>>>> but it is no easy feat (I am saying that, and I am only halfway there).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> If something seems too good to be true...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/05/08, -- wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, steve wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> The followings were the question I asked DC and the response I got:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Subject: Non-ABA-approved law school J.D. + 26 semester hours in tested subjects from
    >>>>>>>>> ABA-approved law school
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> To Whom It May Concern:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I understand that the above combination can qualify one to sit for the DC Bar. And
    >>>>>>>>> under Rule 46 (b) (8) (iii), it seems like the tax law subjects are now qualify.
    >>>>>>>>> So let's say I have a J.D. from a non-ABA law school. And if I complete a ABA-approved
    >>>>>>>>> LL.M. in taxation and only with 26 units of tax classes, can I qualify to sit for the DC
    >>>>>>>>> Bar?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> No. You need to have 26 semester hours in tested subjects as provided for by our
    >>>>>>>>> Rules. While a basic tax course will likely be accepted, the bar examination does not
    >>>>>>>>> test on advanced tax matters. You need to have a combination of subjects that are
    >>>>>>>>> tested in the examination.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The DC 26 credit policy exception is primarily aimed at ABA students that completed their
    >>>>>>>> first year then dropped out. It is a very generous second chance for them to finish at a
    >>>>>>>> non-ABA school and sit for the bar in DC. Unfortunately, awhile back a few misguided
    >>>>>>>> posters on this board tried to turn it into a loop-hole for DL graduates. It is exactly
    >>>>>>>> what the response says it is. Thank you for writing the DC bar and sharing the above
    >>>>>>>> response.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Like it or not -- except for CA there is no way around an ABA JD for first time bar exam
    >>>>>>>> applicants.

     
     

 
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