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Re: Denied Illinois FOID card
Posted by v on 1/15/08

    On 1/15/08, -- wrote:
    > On 1/15/08, v wrote:
    >> What country do they hail from
    that they need interpreters to to
    interpret the English writen
    >> constitution of the United States
    of America???
    >> It wasen't writen in latin, if it
    were, we could probly put all this
    interpretation behind us.
    >> Now i know why i failed english so
    many times, i didn't have an
    interpreter. Damn!!!!!!
    >
    > No its not you -- it is difficult
    in any language to write a document
    that will withstand all time.
    > When the Constitution was written
    it was written by representatives of
    the various states. They
    > realized that there was strength in
    union of the states but they also
    feared a centralized government.
    > The Constitution was written to
    achieve the strength of a union and
    the freedom of the individual states
    > to govern themselves and their own
    citizens.
    >
    > The second Amendment was included
    to prevent the federal government
    from prohibiting the states from
    > maintaining armed and well
    regulated militias. In a kingdom,
    like England at that time, there was
    only
    > the right of the King to maintain
    an army. The "framers" of the
    Constitution did not want the federal
    > government to become a king with
    the exclusive right to maintain an
    armed militia. In effect, the 2nd
    > Amendment gave gun control to the
    individual states. Each state would
    have the right to determine how
    > it would allow its citizens to bear
    arms and the federal government was
    prohibited from interfering with
    > the state's right to do so. (Some
    states actually required gun
    ownership and others simply allowed
    or
    > encouraged it) The theory
    apparently was that each state would
    be like a separate finger on a hand,
    > capable of independent existence
    and movement but if some outside
    force threatened the union of states
    > they would all come together like a
    strong fist. The "framers" did not
    see a strong federal standing
    > army as a good idea.
    >
    > Now, 250 years later there are
    automatic weapons capable of firing
    hundreds of rounds of ammunition in
    > seconds. There are firearms that
    the "framers" could not possibly have
    contemplated. However, in the
    > ongoing wisdom of the document they
    created, rather than the federal
    government stepping in and banning
    > all firearms nation wide, the 2nd
    Amendment still allows individual
    states to determine what
    > restrictions they want to place on
    their own citizens. Surface to air
    missiles fully automatic weapons
    > and other implements of mass
    destruction beyond the scope of a
    state militia (only the federal
    > government may declare war a state
    militia can not) are banned by the
    federal government but each state
    > is still free to allow weapons
    within the guidelines of maintaining
    a well regulated militia.
    >
    > So here is where we are: The 2nd
    Amendment allows states the right to
    permit their citizens to possess
    > firearms but does not require that
    states to do so. The 2nd Amendment
    confers a right on states but
    > that right is not conferred on
    individual citizens. Under the 2nd
    Amendment it is up to the states how
    > they want to control firearms and
    the federal government can't
    interfere.
    >
    > Here is the basic difference on how
    the Constitution is applied: The
    right of free speech is an
    > individual right guaranteed to all
    citizens by the first Amendment; In
    contrast, the 2nd Amendment is
    > a "state" right conferred on a
    state government but not on
    individual citizens.
    >
    >
    I don't care how they read it, as
    long as they understand what their
    reedin.
    Could be their reading it in Indeia.
    Cuz it ain't Indiana!

    Until the Supreme Court reads the 2nd
    Amendment the way you want them to,
    states have authority over gun
    > control within their borders. FOID
    is a lawful exercise of the power
    conferred on states by the
    > Constitution.

     
     

 
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